"I'll live on life, I want nothing dead in me." – Melanie Safka
Twenty something, from Leeds. Passionate about the environment, animal liberation and human rights.
Love: Sea Shepherd, nature, Brockhampton, classical piano, reading, baking, cycling and swimming.
Hate: carnism, bigotry, bullshit, fascism and festivals without compost toilets.
I was unable to attend the memorial the weekend of the pigs’ death as I was away volunteering, so I went to write a message in chalk outside the school to remember the pigs last Friday.
Before I’d even finished writing my first sentence in chalk “RIP nameless voiceless pigs,” someone stopped their car in the middle of the road- with people waiting in the cars behind- and poured what looked like a half drank paper cup of coca-cola where I’d written RIP. They then told me to get a life and got back in their car and sped off and returned later with their cup refilled and poured water over where I’d started to write “bacon causes cancer.”
One parent passed me and said loudly to their child “I’m off to get a bucket of water.” I assumed they were joking until they came back with two 1L water bottles and started pouring water over the writing and trying to rub it away with their foot. They angrily said to me things like: “it’s over, they’re gone now, nothing you can do will change that, the children don’t need to see this, it’s the schools decision and it’s ours, get over it. I’m off to get more water and I’ll keep coming back until you’re gone.”
I just stood silently and held my hand up giving a peace gesture because there is nothing you can say to reason with someone who is overcome with emotion and a desire to be cruel.
As I walked home I wondered why is someone so angry about people mourning the lives of murdered animals that they need to make multiple water trips and then make their child run back and forth between their house and the school so they can get water to wash away the phrase RIP…? It would have been washed away by the rain anyway.
I don’t want this to be forgotten about, just because the pigs have died doesn’t mean this is over yet because Harris seems to be entertaining the idea of getting more pigs doomed to slaughter next school year… Despite the fact that, after allowing students to talk to the newspapers and share their personal details where anyone could read them, a student received hate mail; despite guardians of children being threatened with arrest; despite international controversy; despite various safe guarding issues; the so called responsible adults ‘in charge’ want to get more pigs next year?! Murderous minds.
“The pigs did leave the school farm on Friday morning as was always the plan. They were slaughtered later that day and have been sold to the wholesale pork market.
“The pigs had twice as long a life as most commercial pigs and had a healthy free range life at school. The meat won’t be available to our families due to the trouble that could cause with protesters.”
I was recently told by Pigs in the Wood sanctuary that pigs of that age will probably make the farmer a profit of £40 and their meat will only be sold as sausages; which are a level one carcinogen. Pigs can live for twenty years if they are well cared for, so whilst the pigs at Farfield may have lived a life twice as long as most commercial pigs, they still only lived 5% of their natural lives. It sounds like Harris thinks it’s a shame that the dismembered carcasses will not be available for families to purchase due to trouble with protesters, it’s a shame he never considered the trouble it would cause the pigs.
He goes on to say:
“There is no shrine outside school. There were some things left outside the school gates on Sunday but they were removed within a couple of hours.
“The school community has been overwhelmingly supportive of our farm project and have felt intimidated by some protesters and the messages that they have left.”
If someone had been hit by a car outside school and someone left flowers which were then removed by the school, I would say that’s pretty fucking disrespectful. Same logic applies here. You want to kill the animals and you want to “teach” the children about where “meat” comes from but you don’t want to acknowledge the death and slaughter and deny people the right to grieve. Saying the school community has been overwhelmingly supportive yet again glazes over the ethical and religious beliefs of many parents and staff that this “project” has been a bad idea from the beginning. I have had many conversations with parents who said their children are traumatised and that they signed the petition, and even spoken to a member of staff who had considered leaving their job when they found out what Harris and the governors were planning. If the school community find the truth intimidating I wonder what rock have they been living under? We have never been aggressive or instigated any arguments or fights, all we have done was try to educate people on the truth about veganism, farmed animals, the environmental, ethical and health repercussions of carnism and slaughter. I have been at every single protest from the beginning and found that the only people being intimidating were the parents who decided they didn’t want us there before even having a conversation with us. One grandparent was threatened with arrest by a police officer and last time we were outside school the assistant headteacher stood not even a metre away from me whilst I was literally being screamed at by two parents (one of whom tried to attack my friend but had been dragged away by the assistant head) claiming that “everyone is a kiddy fiddler these days” and that we scared their child- who was walking home alone. (Why would you allow your child to walk home unaccompanied if you believe that every single adult in the world is a paedophile?)
“It is a shame that some of the educational messages of this project – that the welfare provenance of meat is important and that the climate emergency means that meat consumption should be reduced – has been somewhat lost in the furore caused by a small minority from outside our school community.
penetrating captive bolt a gun fires a metal bolt into the brain of the animal which is supposed to cause it to lose consciousness immediately but this method does not always work.
electrical an electrical current is passed through the brain using a pair of tongs which causes the animal to temporarily lose consciousness, sometimes they do this to the heart so the animal dies
gas stunning/killing pigs are put into gas chambers where high concentrations of gases are released (currently carbon dioxide) which cause the pigs to asphyxiate and eventually die of hypoxia
sticking it is recommended by the “humane” slaughter association that, once stunned, a knife of at least 120mm long should be inserted into the neck of the pig and that once the penetration has been made the knife handle should be lowered so the blade is in a near vertical position and pushed upward to sever all the major blood vessels which arise from the heart
Watch the video below by the “Humane” Slaughter Association to learn more about how animals are bled out and killed in slaughter houses. WARNING: CONTAINS GRAPHIC FOOTAGE OF VIOLENCE AND MURDER. I didn’t manage to watch past the first couple of seconds, I have heard many people describe “age appropriate” education on slaughtering animals, I don’t think this footage is appropriate for ANY age. So how can we teach children that this is okay if it we cannot stomach the violence? How can we pay for it if we are unable to see it happen or do it ourselves? How can something so cruel, so unnecessary, so traumatising and evil be acceptable and commonplace in society. 124,00 animals are killed EVERY MINUTE.
After losing optimism and hope that the headteacher at Farfield would make the compassionate choice to let the pigs live out the rest of their lives at an animal sanctuary, I emailed the school asking
“Will you let me buy the pigs?”
I didn’t expect to receive a reply, as all but one of my emails had been ignored.
The question he asked confused and annoyed me, to me it felt like a snide remark. He later told me it was meant to point out the financial sustainability of my request- they intend to get three pigs next year, will I spend almost £1000? (Yes, I would.) Despite all the protests, petition signatures and stress this “project” has caused he would repeat it all again! I fail to see how this so called project has been successful in anything other than causing controversy. I explained to Peter that I didn’t have enough money currently to buy the pigs and asked how much time I would have to come up with the money. The following day we had another, less eventful, demonstration outside Farsley Farfield. We hoped to discuss with Peter how to pay for the pigs, and ask him whether the money would go to the school or to a farmer/breeder. (The money going to a farmer would not be an ideal situation as it will likely get spent on more death and suffering, however the pigs would either be slaughtered or go on living, the money would probably end up in the same place either way.) Unfortunately, Peter was not around. We discussed between the four of us that we should raise the money to purchase the pigs to get them to a sanctuary. Or, I would personally prefer, to find a sanctuary first and donate the money directly to them so they could pay. Although it’s a shame that greed and not compassion had triumphed, we were happy that the pigs would be saved! Or so we thought…
What a cruel joke! Imagine someone was holding your dog for ransom and after you agreed to pay the ransom, they said, “just kidding!” I was absolutely furious when I got this email. I spent a long time staring at the computer screen seething with anger, then quite a long time crying.
I think it’s more than a little bit silly to accuse the vegan of creating demand for more “intensively reared pork,” (because they’re not pigs (!) they’re products waiting to be packaged) seeing as I would rather everybody ate no bodies! I have made that abundantly clear since the beginning of this campaign.
I was also told by a teacher that baked potatoes- not roast ‘meat’- were actually served at lunch on Wednesday… I guess Peter just wanted to rub it in my face that the students would be eating dead animals.
I would argue that having one ‘meat’ free day is tokenistic, though it may reduce meat consumption slightly meaning less impact on the environment and health, it means nothing to the animals that everyone will eat the other four days of the week. A life is not a token, it is a life. As an educator I find it odd that one would make assumptions based on no evidence, or knowledge, about what other campaigns I spend time on. I wonder what impact convincing my family, friends and strangers to go vegan has had on the world…
Over eight billion billion animals are killed each year in the UK, this includes over 10 million pigs, over 15 million sheep, 14 million turkeys, 15 million ducks and geese, 982 million broiler (specifically raised for consumption) chickens, 50 million boiling (mature) fowl (including so-called ‘spent’ hens), over 2.6 million cattle, 4.5 billion fish and 2.6 billion shellfish
Despite knowing all this, he still wants the pigs to die. Despite having the knowledge that eating animals and animal products can cause/contribute to CDVs, cancer, diabetes, high cholesterol and high blood pressure he will still feed 300 children animal flesh four days a week? What’s the point in having a wind turbine if you’re not going to be consistent in your efforts to lower your carbon footprint by serving free vegan school meals? Veganism is healthier, cheaper and more sustainable than carnism.
As an ex carnist, ex vegetarian and vegan, I can testify that I was absolutely horrified and traumatised when I learned the truth about what happens to animals in the animal agriculture industry. I feel a massive pain knowing that I have contributed to such heinous crimes against non human animals: abuse, torture, rape and death. (Warning: video link contains graphic scenes of a violent nature.) So, I know that children who grow up to choose compassion and go vegan will feel the same way as I, and all vegans, do.
One day, a man had a bright idea, He got two silky puppies with floppy ears, They lived in a field and bounded in the grass, local children brushed their backs and fed them snacks. The friendly doggies wagged their happy tails and scoffed their meals. But this wonderful life was too good to be real… After a year the dogs were driven to a slaughter house. They howled and yelped, scared and in pain as they were hung upside down by their feet. One pup was silenced, life cut short by a bloodied knife. His brother, covered in blood, whimpered. He knew he would be next. Now imagine instead of a dog that story was about a pig, or a human child, your cat or a cow? Is it okay to kill a pig, but not a dog?
The term speciesism was coined by British psychologist Richard D. Ryder. Speciesism describes the prejudice towards other species and is defined as, “prejudice or discrimination based on species, especially: discrimination against animals, the assumption of human superiority on which speciesism is based.”
Any distinction between animals- whether they’re humans, pigs, elephants, vultures or mice- is morally irrelevant. We all suffer pain, and there is nothing that separates our pain; not intelligence, beliefs, autonomy nor independence. The moral superiority we, as a species, believe we have is nothing but a social construct.
A lot of the publicity has been irritating to say the least, yet verging on being laughable. However, it is the same old stuff which I am used to reading about, but another article in the YEP has made me feel quite troubled. One Farfield student wrote in, I’m sure you might have read. I want it to be clear that my intention is not, and never has been, to ‘make the school look bad.’ If the school has garnered a bad reputation through these stories it is their own fault for planning to slaughter animals.
The thing that I am passionate about is saving these animals- not ruining anyone’s reputation. I have even been in contact with a local sanctuary who said they would be willing to come to do an assembly for the children. Mr Harris declined this saying ” I am not going to to take up the offer of a visit from the sanctuary: that would be confusing for the children at this time. I have discussed your protest with the older children and have said that we will review whether this has been a good idea after the full cycle.”
Contrary to his point, I think it is confusing for children to be given this false idea of what life is like for livestock animals and potentially lead children and teachers to believe that this is what life is like for all “free range” domesticated livestock animals. I think it is confusing for children to brush and care for the pigs, as they would a dog, to then eat them after they have had their throats slit, or been gassed, or whichever method the people at the abattoir use to kill them. I have had parents heckle me when I have stood outside the school with my “friends not food” poster saying I would deny the children a right to education but that is not the case. It’s quite the opposite, I would will the school to have people from sanctuaries teach the children, I would have people working in slaughter houses tell the children what the conditions are like, I would have factory farmers teach the children. We can agree I’m sure that it would in fact be too traumatising for such young minds to witness the life cycle of animals: from artificial insemination, birth and rearing, force feeding, then to slaughter. So, if we cannot fully educate the children on who and what they eat, then we cannot in good conscience allow them to be complicit. (Mr Harris has ignored all of my emails since.)
I was raised as a vegetarian, my parents cooked dead animals which I ate sometimes between the ages of about five and seven years old. For the most part I have been a vegetarian my whole life, and I have been vegan almost four years. Though I am grateful that my parents made an effort to give me a real choice, there is no greater regret I have than not being vegan my entire life. I remember when I was in high school and people would ask “so, if you’re vegetarian does that mean you don’t eat eggs or milk?” and I would scoff and say “well you don’t need to kill a cow to get milk do you?”
Even when I decided to go vegan I had no idea how animals were treated in these industries, my main reason to go vegan was because I have no right to eat the things that animals produce. I saw it as a level up from vegetarianism. (Though really if your reason for living vegan is animal rights vegetarianism would not be comparable because animals can’t have their full rights to freedom, peace and health whilst being used for eggs, dairy or honey etc.)
Whilst it may not be necessary to kill cows in the dairy industry, it still happens every day. Male calves in the dairy industry are often slaughtered at only days old as they’re not useful to provide milk; dairy cows often end up as beef once their bodies are exhausted from constant pregnancy and lactation, etc.
Three out of four members of my family are vegan (one is vegetarian), my younger sibling has only eaten animal body parts twice in their life. The first time happened to be in Farsley Farfield school when they were given mince instead of quorn, after complaining to a dinner lady she scraped off the quorn and gave back the mince. The second time was accidentally eating mints with gelatine in that one of their friends had brought to our house. On my first day (and many times consequently) at Farsley Farfield I didn’t eat my school lunch because the dinner lady gave me a sausage, and then when I told her I was a vegetarian she gave me fish fingers instead.
All of this is a great shame, especially considering their veggie head teacher (and ex animal rights campaigner). Farsley Farfield was one of the best schools I’ve been to, I had some great friends and good teachers there. I really believe that Farfield could be the best school in Leeds, they obviously care about renewable energy and the environment, food, health etc but why aren’t they promoting veganism as a way to lower your carbon footprint or to be healthier?! This school has free vegan school meals, I don’t know why Farfield is lagging behind- even taking steps backwards!
“We all know they aren’t pets and we’re not allowed to name them or get too fond of them because we all know that they will go off to be slaughtered. The children will not have anything to do with the slaughtering as they will be sent away to have it done properly.”
I wanted to highlight the above quote, but I don’t even know what to say. Charlotte says it all herself. It’s a classic example of taking steps to compensate for feelings of cognitive dissonance: to name the pigs is to humanise them, not naming them objectifies them. This cognitive distortion helps people come to terms with eating animals. Pigs are as intelligent as young children, and they’re smarter than dogs. So why is it that you would name a dog, but not a pig? Why would you adopt a dog into your family, but kill a pig?
I wanted to talk about this paragraph in particular: “Finally, having the pigs has taught us to respect meat and animals. We had already learned where fruit, vegetables and eggs come from. Now we are being given a real demonstration of where our meat comes from. We know that not all animals are treated well but we all want this to change. By taking in a couple of pigs to let them have a free, open life before they die, we are starting to make a difference. When we go to do the food shopping with our families, we know what “free range” means and try to buy it. Our headteacher is a vegetarian and wants everyone to make their own choices about what they eat by knowing all the facts.”
Is it a sign of respect to murder a human being? Do we respect our pets by slaughtering them once they reach adolescence? Is it normal, in our culture, to revere the dead by consuming their bodies? No. So, why is it apparently respectful to ‘meat and animals’ to end their lives when they are barely adults and eat their corpses?
I would again argue that a “real demonstration” of where ‘meat’ comes from is not happy piggies on a school field, it’s in the slaughterhouse. Anyone can go online and look at pictures of pigs, but this isn’t a real demonstration of where animal products come from. A pig is a pig, a living being, until they are killed; then they become a corpse, they become a commodity, they become a product.
As for “free range” foods, I have tried to look into the RSPCA’s so called “welfare standards” for pigs but the PDF on their website does not open. (As a disclaimer, I do not respect or endorse the RSPCA in any way whatsoever.) This quote from Compassion in World Farming (another org that I’m not a fan of) states “Whilst there is no legal definition of ‘free-range pork’ we believe this should mean pigs who are born and reared in outdoor systems throughout their lives, with permanent access to pasture.”
If it wasn’t already completely meaningless in an ethical sense to get free range meat, surely the lack of any real definition, law or regulation further cements the futility of the “free range” label. It is simply yet another ploy that the animal agriculture industries use to continue to promote “their product” and to continue to exploit, kill, and profit from animals.
We are all animals. Living beings who have the capacity to suffer. If you are capable of compassion and empathy, and have an understanding of what it is to suffer, and you have the ability to prevent suffering then I believe you have a responsibility to do what you can to decrease and alleviate suffering as much as possible. This is why I am vegan, and this is why I made the petition. I hope that these pigs will live a long life in a sanctuary. We can all live without bacon, the pigs can only live if we allow ourselves to put the value and sanctity of life above our own enjoyment and palette pleasure.
There is no need to kill these pigs, no one will starve if they continue to live. It is not natural to breed, rear and slaughter animals in the way we do. Their suffering is in vain. Who are we to deny logic, reason and emotion? If dogs and pigs can be friends, why can’t we be friends to all animals?
All this being said, it is not about what I think, or what Charlotte thinks. It’s not about the reputation of the school, or the school governors, the headteacher, the PTA, people who donate money to the school, or any links they might have with butchers etc.
I am writing this post in response to all the media attention and misinformation relating to a petition I made in October 2018.
You can read and sign the petition via the petition page, or through clicking this link.
Articles have been written about the petition in the Yorkshire Evening Post, the (shitty) Daily Mail, The Metro and in international papers. I was recently approached by a journalist who wanted to write an article for the times. In their email they wrote: “The headteacher has been called a ‘murderer’ in international newspapers from the UK to Russia to Belgium, there have been fake news stories about ‘outraged parents’ and ‘school trips to the abattoir’ that have no basis in fact,”
When I read the story this morning it got me thinking about “fake news” and media bias. I was happy to talk to the press hoping my side of the story would be heard but I was disappointed. So I want to set things straight, I’m going to publish here the questions I was asked and copy and paste my full answers.
Why did you set up the petition?
I set up the petition because I saw an opportunity to save the lives of these pigs. As I went to this school myself eleven years ago, I already knew the headteacher was a vegetarian. I couldn’t understand why this would be happening at a school that has vegetarian teachers, students and people of various faiths who are against this kind of thing. I don’t see why the pigs need to die in order to teach the children a lesson, anyone can look at a photo of a pig online and go “yep that’s where bacon comes from.”
2. Did you contact the school directly before setting it up to express your concerns?
Before setting up the online petition on change.org I actually made and printed out a simpler petition which I brought to the school gates at home time one afternoon in either September or October last year (which was before the pigs were even at the school) hoping to get signatures from people there. I only spoke to two parents who were with their children at the time and, though I had been feeling positive, they were extremely rude and aggressive in their tone and later they called the school to complain about me “being violent and aggressive.” So the school actually found out through those parents I imagine, though I do actually know one of the teachers there and they were one of the few people to sign the original petition. I did contact the school by email a few weeks after this when I made the new petition on change.org. I wanted to open a dialogue with them and get them in touch with a local pig sanctuary; the headteacher replied to one of my emails and I have not heard anything from him since.
3. Were you aware of the school’s work on their farm with chickens, vegetables plots, beehives, learning about sustainable eating, ethical farming, reducing meat and the fact that there had been a long consultation process with parents and kids before you set the petition up?
As mentioned in the petition text, I used to go to Farsley Farfield school myself so I was already aware of “the farm.” When I went to school there, the farm consisted of poly tunnels and vegetable plots, as well as the beginnings of an orchard. Because of my links to the school I know that since I left they now have a wind turbine and keep chickens but I was only made aware of the beehive recently when chatting to a parent outside school a few days ago. I was aware to some extent of the consultation process, and if I hadn’t been told about it months before even setting up the petition I would have assumed there would have been some kind of meeting regarding the pig project.
Most of the parents I have spoken with oppose my view, but some parents (and teachers) are (quietly) not happy about the pigs going to slaughter. Mr Harris wrote to me in response to an email: “I have had many more positive comments from families and only one, very recent, objection letter from a child. The proposal went through school council last year and was raised in newsletters previously. I have gone out of my way to pro-actively consult with Muslim families: typically their attitude appears to be that they will observe from afar but don’t want to be involved.”
On Tuesday I spoke with several parents (quite a few of them religious) who said they had signed my petition. One parent said that her children were very upset about the whole thing and that she wasn’t happy either, I recommended she write to one of the local papers because it definitely seems to me that people who disagree don’t feel like they can voice their opinions. I know for a fact one teacher doesn’t want the pigs to be slaughtered but is reluctant to be more outspoken on the issue for fear that they will lose their job. So, although I have been assured that the consultation process was thorough, it definitely seems to me that some people don’t feel like their objections have been heard. Schools are for children not parents, governors, or butchers, if I was Mr Harris that one objection letter from a child on an ethical issue such as this would be enough.
4. Were you surprised by the fact that it went viral recently- despite being set up six months ago?
I am not surprised the petition went viral, I was informed by a local animal rights activist that someone who had signed my petition had gone to the Yorkshire Evening Post about it. I think that was the first article written on the petition. I’ve read about similar stories and similar things have happened to me before, people love a controversial story. With veganism being one of the fastest growing lifestyle choices in the UK there’s almost always a story about it; people love to get angry about animal rights issues whether they’re vegan or someone who eats animals.
5. There have been very real life and potentially dangerous consequences for some very young children as well as for an award-winning school. The headteacher has been called a ‘murderer’ in international newspapers from the UK to Russia to Belgium, there have been fake news stories about ‘outraged parents’ and ‘school trips to the abattoir’ that have no basis in fact, there has been a protest at gates of a primary school during home time, hate mail was posted to one of the children at the school. Do you feel any responsibility for what has happened to the children and school?
I do not condone sending hate mail to anyone, especially children, I think it’s an appalling response. If people are angry they should look at their own lifestyle choices and ask if they are in line with their morals, and ask themselves what they can do to make the world a better place. Sending hate mail or saying/doing anything abusive is wrong and brings about nothing good, just more anger and division. I can’t be responsible for the things other people say and do. If people share things that are factually inaccurate it only makes me angry because it makes my claims look invalid. If people send hate mail to children they cannot align themselves with me, my values, or any reasonable person. If the pigs are saved and allowed to live out their natural lives then I won’t be responsible for that, it ultimately rests upon the school whether or not these beautiful animals live or die. I think the school could use this as an opportunity to make themselves look great, I do think they’re a good school, but imagine the good they could do if they chose to let the pigs live; if they taught lessons on permaculture, ecosystems and the reality of the destruction of the animal agriculture industry; or if they had free vegan school dinners. I think they would definitely win more awards. There has been ‘fake news’ on both sides, the so called National Pig Association (how can you be the association for pigs when you’re pro killing pigs?) wrote an article saying my petition was “factually incorrect and misleading vegan propaganda,” but, as a vegan of almost four years, I like to think I am well informed about the problems of the animal agriculture industry. My petition includes several links backing up my claims including the WWF “Appetite for Destruction” PDF and the World Health Organisation’s article on processed meat being carcinogenic.
I am aware of the protest, I have been going to the school once a month with friends to hold up my “friends not food” poster outside the school. The original protest (if you can call it that) was just before Christmas and I made myself a pig snout which I wore with a blanket wrapped around me. The message I wanted to get across was pigs in blankets are friends not food! I want to keep the lives of these pigs in their minds, I want to remind people that I do actually care about the pigs, I’m not going to just sit back and hope the thousands of signatures on my petition do the job. Last week I asked my friends and local animal rights campaigners to join me outside the school, so on Tuesday we had more banners and more power than before because I really don’t think these pigs have long left. Though we had a lot of great conversations with parents who were willing to have an open conversation with us, as well as parents who agreed with our stance that the pigs should not be killed, there was a lot of abuse. I am used to receiving heckles from across the street but this time it was far worse: one parent shoulder barged my friend; we received patronising snickers and snide remarks calling us “vile,” “a disgrace,” or “disgusting;” and one child’s grandmother was extremely aggressive towards us and the police officer- who we had been chatting to and was about to leave us when she turned up and started shouting at us. The police officer, Sgt Baldwin, asked her to calm down and she tried shoving past him on multiple occasions and he actually said to her that he would have to arrest her but she calmed down a bit after this point- it’s all on the police bodycam. The child this woman was accompanying was crying throughout and pleading with her to walk away but she carried on shouting at us and being aggressive, at several points I thought she might attack me or my friends. We did nothing to provoke this at all, we were just stood holding our signs, one of my friends said “save the piggies,” and that’s it. On Tuesday one parent stood for a long time (before school finished) arguing with us saying that we would be intimidating the children, which is not true at all. In all of my little protests outside the school the worst response I have gotten from a child is them shouting “bacon” at me, at other times I have had children wave, do peace signs, smile, ask questions, laugh/point at me, a few months ago one kid did that flossing dance from across the road at me. The only people who have been intimidating and nasty have been a few parents (usually the same people every time) who make random accusations whilst their children stand and witness their aggressive tone and body language towards me and my mates. All that being said I don’t want to point fingers but I think some parents are setting a poor example for their children: shouting at strangers for protesting against killing animals. It’s not really fair for vegans to have this misrepresentation of being aggressive, violent and forcing our views upon other people when we are often met with a lot of abuse for just being against the exploitation and murder of animals.